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Saturday, October 22, 2011

A Summary Of Paranormal Activity 3

Bang, smash, awkward sex tape, earthquake, dust, boom, video tape EVERYTHING!, friend supports you, look! Imma ghost, NO BITCH! I'M A GHOST! See? I can disappear, Move bitch! Get Out the way, Ha ha! I blow on you!, minus one baby sitter, Go away Toby, you're sick now, bloody marry, I CUT YOU!, earthquake, table bitch slap, shadow, minus one friend, Hey I'm standing heer! Just because you can't see me doesn't mean you can just run into supernatural entities you know, pulling you up by the hair, I don't believe you and all your video evidence, I'm the wind now, bad touch, bed bitch slap, just ignore him, NOPE!, ITS RAPPING TIME!, leave her alone Toby, WHY THE FUCK CAN'T ANYONE HEAR THIS!?!?!?!?!?, I made your dining room set disappear, now I'm giving it back to you, to Grandmother's house we go, shadow, shadow, disappearing shadow, Grandma is a cultist, creepy old ladies, oh hi...here's your dead wife...you can have her back, crying little girl, SURPRISE BITCH SLAP FROM THE LITTLE POSSESSED GIRL, broken leg, creepy grandma, do you like yoga?, broken back, guess you should have stretched first, one big happy family, come on Toby, growl, now about that son you promised me....fade to black, and no special at the end so you might as well leave the theater now.

But the scariest part was Teddy Ruxpin!  O_O  This guy knows what I'm talking about.

But seriously it was a good movie. 2 = meh, 1 = cool, 3 = I was one only one in the theater NOT covering up my eyes or hiding in some way...though I laugh at some of the "scary" parts.

Now back to our campus that is supposedly haunted....o_0

Thursday, October 6, 2011

Why Omnivores Are Defensive

A relatively common flaw in the mindset of many vegans and vegetarians is that if they tell people they don't eat meat the other person suddenly gets defensive. The belief goes that omnivores "know deep down" that what they are doing is wrong so they get defensive and mean when someone even mentions they are a veg. However this isn't the reason, at least not often. If someone truly has qualms about eating meat they will either become a veg or continue to eat meat. People eat eat meat and feel bad about it likely won't get defensive, more so they will agree some what and offer up a weak excuse. The reason why omnivores get defensive, and truthfully it is often unwarranted, is their preconceptions of non-meat eaters. 

Think of it this way. You have 2 bothers. One lives far away and the other lives at home. You know your at home brother but not the one who lives far away. Every day your at home brother raises his hand for a second, then smacks you on the mouth (though not hard). This happens over and over again. Then one day you meat your other brother. When he sees you, he raises his hand to get a high five. You mistake this for the actions your other brother does to you and you get away and get agitated. This is a learned response, a conditioning if you will. The same happens with vegs. People get use to vegs saying they are immoral for eating meat so they want to cut the person off as soon as possible and inform them they don't think it is immoral to eat meat.

For any vegs reading this, have you ever had a preconception of someone who eats meat that they care less about animals then you? Many likely have. I know that if I so much as mention I am a Christian to some people, I get responses back that all Christians are stupid. I have been on a Atheist forum before and told a Christan off for being an intolerant asshole and got called an Atheist. It also gets into race relations, where you think of a stereotype that a certain race does as typical for them.

I usually have a bit of a different response. I don't really have that "blah blah blah, fuck you I'll eat meat if I feel like it," attitude. I tend to ask if the person believes that everyone should be like them, that is the least amount possible that a human should morally do is what I do. If not, I honestly say that we have nothing to talk about because we agree (that everyone has their own choice as long as it isn't forced on other people). But when that person comes along who has the holier-then-thou mentality who thinks they have all the answers and everyone who eats meat is a heartless monster or an idiotic drone, I get a little smirk on my face. I am about the bring the hammer down, and smash all of their misguided notions about their diet and mine.

Though this tends to fall short when their best argument is I'm fat so omnivorism is unhealthy.

People need to understand that their beliefs are their own. A veg thinking eating meat is immoral because they don't like it, is the same as a Christain thinking homosexuality is immoral because they don't like it, and that is just like thinking that incest is immoral because you don't like it.

Now this may strike you as funny, and you likely think I'm an idiot or dumb. But think about it, really think about it. Incest (and no I'm not supporting it, this is a morality exercise) is thought of as morally wrong. Why? Mostly because society says so. Some bring up the Bible, but their is incest in the Bible too. Some say because of genetic mutations, but in cousins this isn't a problem or if you use birth control and a condom. So their exists no other real reason if protection is use and if it is consensual for both parties.

This is just how thinking eating animals is immoral works (and thinking homosexuality is immoral). There is less an actually moral reason to not do it and more a personal "I don't like this" reason. If you don't want to eat meat then don't, I won't try to stop you or ask you where you get your protein, but I only ask that when I eat meat don't think I am immoral. Also don't think I always eat meals made up of 9/10 meat. I vary from half to hardly any, sometimes not at all. Gotta love PBJ.

Instead of thinking that everyone has to be like me, believe that people have the right to choose. After all, if you think it is OK to force what you believe on people, imagine if it wasn't you but the other side forcing their beliefs on you. That would just be immoral of them huh?

Yes, "Is incest morally permissible" is an actual philosophy exercise, one most people say isn't and one which most people have no reason beyond personal disgust.

Monday, October 3, 2011

A Hater's Contradictions

·     These are comments from a hater on our "Why You Should Never Piss Off An Emo" video. I had planned on making a video but it would be really long and he is just using a through away account. All the mistakes are his I did make some of my own which are left in or indicated by brackets. A long read, but funny to see how he continues to contradict himself and then tries to act as if he meant to. Do you think he has that much aforethought? I don't. My comments are bolded for ease.
·         btw congrats on the 511 dislikes

·         @helllloiloveyou: Thanks, having idiots not like my video who were never subscribed to us really harms us doesn't it?

·         haha what the fuck hes still a giant pussy he just thinks he looks cool by throwing a gay little knife at a door. you can see his faggot ass smug expression whiles hes tossing the knife in the air in a desperate attempt to look like a badass

·         @helllloiloveyou: Welcome to the internet. Please refer yourself to TROLLING for more information as to why you fail.

·         @BLHProductions that didnt make any sense and this kid is fag. trolling isnt a word its just used by retards that get hated on because theyre queers

·         @helllloiloveyou: Actually it is a word. It is a type of fishing. That is why it is used on the internet. You bait people, as with this video because people who hate emos will flock to it, and you get enjoyment out of their ranting, which you clearly give us, and as a bonus we get paid. It's a win win. So why is a bad thing you hate this video again?

·         @BLHProductions wait youre stupid you called me a troll yet you just explained how you're a troll according to your definition. and trolling isnt a type of fishing a trolling motor is a accesory used for fishing, its a smaller quite motor that wont scare fish in water thats less than 7 feet deep or so. not a method of baiting you dumb fuck, haha dont ever try to talk to a person born and raised in brnesvile georgia about fishing yuo just look even stupider than you already do
·         @BLHProductions and you arent getting paid for this bullshit you dumb fuck who do you think youre fooling? and just another note to my grammar errors below "barnesville" and "you" were spelled incorrectly, i spilled coke on my keyboard awhile back the keys are sticky 
      I wander if that is really why his keys are sticky....XD

·         @helllloiloveyou: Actually we are. If you go look at the video, you'll notice that we have an image where our name would usually be. That is a sign that we are partnered. If you look at out videos, you should also notice ads being played before the video itself or popping up during and beside the video.
·         So you have once again attempted to act as if you knew what you were talking about and failed at it. Don't feel too bad, a lot of people are like you. So your stupidity shouldn't get lonely.
·         @helllloiloveyou: Actually I never called you a troll. I told you to look up the term because you had been trolled.
·         A trolling motor is used to do trolling. I didn't [s]ay we were trolling motors, I said we were trolling, which is a way of fishing.
·         TROLLING: to fish for or in with a moving line, working the line up or down with a rod, as in fishing for pike, or trailing the line behind a slow-moving boat.
·         Please understand what you are talking about next time. You can troll in the ocean BTW.

·         @BLHProductions wow wikipedia taught you a lot huh? i dont have to attempt to make you look stupid because everyone else thinks youre stupid anyway, its funny how you act like youre some kind of superior badass when youre wasting your time failing at trying to make me look stupid. i havent been trolled. you cant sit there and say that your only reason for putting this little pussy faggot on youtube was to be hated on, you put it on because you are a fag and you thought he looked cool

·         @helllloiloveyou: Actually that is from dictionary[dot]com, not wikipedia.
·         You don't know what you are talking about, but you are so proud you can't admit that. I'm sorry, but I tend not to say things unless I know what I am talking about. You do realize that you can go trolling in the ocean right? You don't have to do it in shallow water, you just need moving lines or a slow moving boat.
·         Actually the more comments we get helps this video out and earns us more revenue, so I'm making a profit.
·         @BLHProductions haha yeah keep going back to the profit thing, i dont give a fuck what you say no one on this fucking erath would pay you to put up stupid videos of little pussy faggots throwing metal at a barn door. and yes fucking idiot i do realize you can troll in the ocean but with depths exceeding 5000 meters who the fuck wnts to be all slow and sneaky with their trollling motor and the fact that you had to look up the definition of trolling shows me you know nothing
·         @helllloiloveyou: You don't care what I say, and yet you keep coming back when I comment. LOL. Saying we make money is a great way to get idiots like you to comment more, "no you don't, you don't make money," while I just sit back with a smile on my face.
·         You are, in part, correct. We don't get paid for our videos, we get paid for the traffic and ads for our videos. When you watched the video you helped us and your comments are providing traffic to this video and making it more popular.
·         @BLHProductions no dumbass i was refering to your constant lying about your imaginary "profits". and i dont help in any way with your "profit gain" because im not out there promoting your gay video. i just keep coming back to make you look stupid every time i comment and you come back with your smartass comments in hope that i will feel stupid for being right when i know you don't sit back with a smile you probably get pissed and think really hard to try to one up me then you just look stupider
·         @BLHProductions haha you think you look smug? that just shows how hard you're trying to look smug. and you're failing at it. you cant look smug while trying to brag about the 5 cents/week you make off of this bullshit video and waste hours of your day trying to make me look dumb. thats not smug at all thats desperation. what exactly am i wrong about? i see that you changed your understanding of troling like 5 times so you aren't a very credible source to ask about whether someones wrong or not

   @helllloiloveyou: Not really. Being smug is pretty natural when the person you are talking to doesn't know what they are talking about and insults you for providing them with a definition that they got wrong in the first places.
·         Ah, so here it finally comes out. The gradual process of you realizing that we do in fact make money and that I am right. Notice how you went from "you're lying" to "5 cents." Now does this video make only 5 cents a week? That depends, it could have made $43.43...
·         ...but that would be if it was monetized as soon as it was made. However even if this video make 5 cents a week, you would have to times that by all our videos (assuming 5 was the average). We have 499 right now, so that comes out to $24.95 a week. Times that by 4 for each week in a month and you get $99.80 a month. Then you add in the money from comments and the like which varies but is usually in the $30 - $50 range. and you have about 130 a month. We make more.
·         @helllloiloveyou: You are wrong that trolling was made up, that it refers only to a motor, that you can only do it in shallow water, and that you haven't been. Besides that you were wrong about us earning money. Now trolling does have multiple meanings, but the uses I have used was the action of trolling a line with bait behind a boat to catch fish, which refers to trolling on the internet. I trolled you using this video since we knew it would get hate. That's why I call him emo when he isn't.

·         @BLHProductions HAHAAHA OH MY GOD YOURE FUCKING RETARDED I NEVER SAID TROLLING WAS MADE UP. AND DONT PRETEND LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT AT FIRST YOU SAID TROLLING WAS A SYSTEM OF BAITING YOU HAD NO IDEA WHAT A TROLLING MOTOR WAS UNTIL I TOLD YOU haha holy fuck i hope you feel smart you jackass btw apologies for the caps i sometimes look down at the keyboard and often accidentally hit the caps button and dont notice till i look up


·         @BLHProductions no dumb fuck i didnt mean that trolling wasnt a word. i was saying that the way you stupid internet fucks use it isnt a word. and i did know what the word meant all along stupid fuck you attempted to make it look like you knew what you were talking about then saying you went to dictionarydotcom making you look stupider than horse shit as you change your understanding of it muliple times haha fucking idiot. and i dont classify making pennies a week if even that as making money.

·         @helllloiloveyou: You may have meant something else, I simply told you what you said which was, "trolling isn't a word..."
·         May I point out that "fuck" is also a slang word. It is now popular though. OK is also a slang word. Just because a word is being used in a different way or newly made, doesn't meant it can never be a real word. Languages do evolve and slang terms do become respectable or commonly used.

·         @helllloiloveyou: If you knew what the world meant all along you should act like it and say what you mean. Acting as if I am an idiot and putting words into my mouth makes you like desperate to cover up your own mistakes, which even now it seems like you are doing.
·         I was consistent, your interpretation was the problem. I said that you bait people when you troll not that it is a form of baiting. That is all you and your stupidity.
·         I looked up the definition because I knew I was right, and was.

·         @helllloiloveyou: By definition, making money is any kind of money. However you see the little picture, I see the paychecks every month.

·         @BLHProductions i see this discussion is coming to an end, as your comments are growing shorter. it was fun, it gave me something to do when i was bored but now im bored of this bye fag

·         @helllloiloveyou: Fag is also a slang term. So you are a hypocrite. You don't like the word trolling because, I assume, it annoys you or you find it dumb, yet you will use older slang words.
·         Thanks for the money you earned us and helping this video out with your comments. I actually made 3 comments to you, you just looked at the last one.
·         Enjoy your life and I hope you enjoy the video I plan to make about this conversation. Word for word, so you won't be misquoted.

·         @BLHProductions no i didnt care to read the other comments because im not as into this as you are. you are very welcome for the 2 cents i made for you. i hope that helps a lot. also i'm really looking forward to the video you produce about this conversation. don't misquote yourself either make sure the world sees how fucking stupid you are too. bye lovebug :)))) 

·         @helllloiloveyou: You again contradict yourself. You said that my response got shorter, it didn't. See, this is your biggest problem. You get caught making an error, then you lie to try and make it look as if it was your plan all along when you don't lack the aforethought to do that.
·         Per your channel comments: I always tell the fans not to be overly mean, it will only be me, and please inform the sickly looking vegs to not talk about health too.
·         I plan on taking screen shots.

·         @BLHProductions how did i contradict myself dumb fuck? haha do you even know what that means? read the comment i said before that one, it was very short compared to before. and yes i agree some of the vegan/vegetarians look like unhealthy stray dogs but you can't talk because your'e fatter than fuck and thats just as gross as bring too skinny. yeah you can just use the hypercam, i think thats what its called it just records while you do all your stuff on the computer its better than screen shots

·         @helllloiloveyou: You said that my response was short. When I corrected you you said you didn't care to read them. This is a controdiction because either my response was too long for you to care to read (viewing all 3) or it was short (viewing the last one). You cannot both say it was short and long thus it is a contradiction. Mostly, from where I see it, due to you being wrong and you covering your ass. 
     Knowledge =/= weight. You're skinny, I assume, and an idiot.
·         I will be taking screenshots with a snipping tool. It will not be of the entire screen.


·         just to let you know i'm deleting my youtube channel so i can make a new one with videos and what not but i'll give you like a week or two for you and you're faggot ass emo wannabe friends to make that video of you attempting to make me look stupid so your "fans" can trash my page with comments or whatever. i'll give you my new screen name when i think of one so you can direct your fans to that one also. really looking forward to the video! thanks

·         haha wait a minute i took a stroll through your comments and almost everyone hates you so heres my new account name: FuckBLHproductions123... no im kidding the actual name is: 2inthepink1intheink. thats a little play on words from the "shocker" its 1 in the ink because im going to put up videos of my apprenticeship at my tattoo shop and maybe tips and stuff. by the way don't talk about vegans and vegetarians when you are an overweight person it makes you look really stupid and people tend to notice how fat you are more.

·         Did you just hit me with a wall of text bro?

·         gay fags.
Do you remember me?
I've previously called you fags and thought I'd do it again.
Gay Fags

·         haha notice grimreeper102's comment? everyone hates you so i decided to give you my old accounts password because i know you have no fans and i dont dont care if it gets trashed because if thats what gets you a hard on then so be it: helllloiloveyou (4 L's) password:bananafuck. i hope that since you are a faggot and have nothing better to do with your day this will provide some enjoyment and take your mind off of how much of how fat you are, how much you are disliked, how smart you think you are and maybe even your virginity. the fact that you would go as far as to make a video trying to prove that youre smarter than someoe on youtube whom you've never met in your life shows me you need attention because this is how shitty your life is. goodbye p.s im canceling my e-mail account as well

·         BLHProductions
@Grimreaper102: Not really. You're name looks familiar but to tell you the truth I don't keep track of every idiot that uses over used insults like fag or fat. Also, gay fag is redundant. In fact, if you are a gay gay person, doesn't that make you straight?

@helllloiloveyou: Did you just hit me with another wall of text bro? Yeah, I saw grimreaper102's comment, it's about as original as yours. I do like your logic though, "you have haters so you have no fans." Fred and Justine Bieber have more haters then we do, but that doesn't negate the fans they have does it? All the haters we get are worth just one fan, and we have over 2,000 of them. But keep saying we don't. Your opinions really change reality. And if you are going to just go away on your own, my work here is done. I love it when haters get rid of themselves.

LOL, happy trolling [motor].

So there you go. See for yourself if this guy is as much of an idiot as I think he is. He keeps changing what he says to sound like he knows what he is talking about and so he won't look dumb which to me makes it worse. He also likes to take things out of context. He acts like a bad ass while he says he is going to delete his account. He's just an idiot who likes to think he can never be wrong. He also needs a lesson in English.
This flame war has been brought to you by egotistical stupidity from helllloiloveyou.

Wednesday, September 7, 2011

The Flaws With Sentience

From LetThemEatMeat (one of my favorite blogs):

"If sentience and cognitive ability are out and it’s a sense of responsibility that explains why parents and institutions take care of severely mentally impaired humans when we aren’t obligated to take care of wild animals, we now have a non-speciesist explanation for why we can give severely mentally impaired people rights that we don’t give to animals. It’s not that the cognitively impaired are H. sapiens, it’s that we brought them into this world—that they are of us—and so we feel like we need to protect them.

If this makes sense, it’s not wrong or inconsistent to feel more responsible for severely mentally impaired humans than we feel for domesticated animals. Which means that it can be a legitimate position to raise animals for food, even though we wouldn’t do the same to severely mentally impaired humans."

If you deny the responsibility explanation, then you’re back to human society being obligated to take care of all animals, wild and domestic, who cannot fend for themselves. As a practical matter, human society will be unable to do this to any serious extent, but that obligation will still exist and will need to be pursued as much as possible.

Even if you’re willing to accept human responsibility for wild animals, what about all those other scenarios where sentience struggles? Since responsibility does a fine job of explaining why we take care of the severely mentally impaired without giving rights to animals, let’s see how it fares elsewhere.

The sentience explanation and Tom Regan’s “inherent value” theory can’t make sense of the hierarchy of life value that becomes so stark in extreme cases like mass starvation. Decisions between who to eat in Leningrad or who to save in burning houses should be arbitrary if all that matters is sentience, but they’re not.

Responsibility/attachment explains why."

From: Forget Sentience: Here's the Real Reason We Grant Rights posted on September 1st, 2011

Wednesday, August 31, 2011

10 Overused Bad Vegetarian and Vegan Arguments

OK, take note all you vegs out there. I am going to be listing some of the arguments that are sometimes used that are not good ones to use. Now you can disagree with me and feel free to leave a comment, but think of it this way.  I am providing you with view of the other side, how many people who eat meat will see these arguments, and likely at times poke holes in your arguments and ridicule them when they need it. Think of it as a way to improve your own arguments. You know, possessive criticism from a obese meat addicted immoral psychopath. Now lets get started.

Animals Are My Friends
I'm going to be using the typical format for logic/ethics when dealing with these. OK so lets put this into that format:

Animals are my friends.
Because animals are my friends you shouldn't eat them.
Therefore you shouldn't eat them.

This can be condensed to:

What this means is that the argument is not valid because the pretenses do not flow into the conclusion. Another problem lies in the first pretense, "Animals are my friends." This is false. While an individual may believe that they are friends with all animals it simply doesn't work if they don't know all the animals they claim to be friends with. This would be like a stalker saying that their interest was in love with them because the stalker loved the stalkee.

You could also make it:
If animals are my friends then it is wrong to eat them.
Animals are my friends.
Therefore, it is wrong to eat them.

This is a valid argument because if the premises are true then the conclusion works with them, but is not factual (as the premise about all animals being your friends isn't true) and could be changed to say this:
If plants are my friends then it is wrong to eat them.
Plants are my friends.
Therefore, it is wrong to eat them.

Feel free to change plants with anything you want, it's still false and it still isn't sound.

Humans Are Not Meant To Eat Meat.

I get this one a lot...I mean A LOT! Personally, this is defeated by the simple fact that what vegs want to stop is gratuitous amounts of meat consumption. If humans couldn't eat meat they couldn't eat gratuitous amounts of meat. This one actually follows the format of the first one. Several facts (if facts are used) are presented to the person regarding the differences between humans and carnivores. I hope that most can see the first problem. Humans are not carnivores any more then they are herbivores. So comparing humans with carnivores doesn't make sense. You should compare humans with what we are, omnivores, or with what you claim we are, which are herbivores. If one compares humans with a dog and a cow the human will be most similar to the dog in intestine length, pH, functions of various organs, and the usefulness of the stomach.

Speaking of the stomach this is where a lot of this comes from. The argument is that humans have weaker stomach acid then carnivores. This is true, a dog does have strong stomach acid then a human, but the dog is able to eat decaying meat where humans do not and have used fire to cook our foods. Even then, the stomach acid in humans ranges from 1.5 - 2.5 on average. The stomach of a herbivore like a cow is about 7. This is because the bacteria in a cows stomach needs to have a neutral environment. The bacteria are in each of the 4 cow stomachs and the bacteria eat the grass which and then the cows digest the bacteria. Also most of digestion occurs in the stomach. The amount of digestion that occurs in the human stomach is about 10% with 90% of it going on in the small intestines.

(The argument that humans can't eat raw or decaying meat can easily be defeated by watching almost any episode of Bizarre Foods with David Zimmerman)

Now perhaps this is where this comes from as the intestine is about neutral. But the major problem is that herbivores use fermentation vat systems and carnivores and omnivores do not. Humans have one stomach, a high pH, and like dogs can even function without a stomach (gastric bypass anyone?). Going off of pH, the reason behind the high pH is in part for digestion and also to activate pepsin to make it pepsinogen which is used to break down and digest protein. Protein and fat are also something that humans need to eat. You can get this from plants, but you can also get this from the various walking protein and fat collectives known as animals.

The other part of this seems to be out teeth. The parts that are carnivore/omnivore are ignored and out molars are used. The problem is that the molars of herbivores are flat where the molars of humans (and dogs) are slanted. So yes, we do have features that sometimes match up with what vegs say, but omnivore fits us better than herbivore.

Lastly, when fed an unnatural diet of corn (yes I eat meat and still can be against cruel factory farming) cows stomachs become acidic which is part of the reason why they are near death when they are killed. The good bacteria in their stomachs die and is replaces by other bacteria, such as harmful strains of E. coli. If humans were herbivores, we would have fermentation vat, multi-chambered stomachs with a near neutral pH, as it is, we don't. We are omnivores, this vegetarian doctor knows what I mean.

Don't Eat Meat Because You Don't Want To Be Eaten

This is basically a take on the golden rule. The golden rule in Logic/Ethics speak would be:
An action is moral if and only if the person would want it done to themselves.

Sounds good right? Wrong. First think of a flasher. The flasher flashes people the flasher finds attractive. The flasher would want the person to flash them back, so if the golden rule was true, flashing would be moral. Also, the act of incest would be moral (although people can't seem to find a reason why this is immoral besides they don't like it, very much like the argument that it is wrong to eat meat). Then you have people into vore. Vore is a fetish where the person is turned on from thinking about things being eaten or themselves being eaten. So lets say you have a voristic cannibal who wants to be eaten for their lover (and yes, this has happened); this person would be moral in EATING PEOPLE. See how this is a problem?

Now on the flip side you have things like soldier in wars, white lies, and animals. What does this mean? Well, for most people it is moral, or at least morally permissible, for soldiers to kill other soldiers in a war. But if the golden rule was true, then this act would be immoral. Also, we have the act of white lying. These are lies that are used to make people feel better and to not hurt their feelings. You could argue that white lying and lying are two different things but they really aren't, it's just something being used in a negative and passive way. Then we have animals. I think its safe to say that no animal wants to be eaten. However they will eat other animals.

So if the golden rule is true they would be immoral. Now you may say they can't help it because its their nature. Well, carnivores do have to eat meat (unless vegs find a way around it so they can have pets that eat meat and not feel bad), but they don't always have to eat the amount they do. Omnivore animals can eat plants, but will hunt with plenty of plant food available. If you excuse them from this by saying they can't help it, it would mean that human morality applies to animals, which would cause all sorts of problems. You can say they don't have morals, but neither do sociopaths, and they are held accountable for murder right?

And really, if human morality doesn't apply to animals because they are not moral agents, then why apply morality to them at all? I will again hold that they shouldn't be placed in as much suffering as we put them in, but this stems from the fact they can feel pain, not that our morality reaches them per se.

This is part of the next argument.

Aniamls Feel Pain So Don't Eat Them.

Time for the logic map again.

If an organism feels pain it is immoral to eat them.
Aniamls feel pain.
Therefore, it is immoral to eat animals.

OK, we have a valid argument because if the premises are true then the conclusion is true. However it is not factual. While animals feeling pain is true, it being immoral to eat an organism that feels pain as not established. What pain says would be to not needlessly harm them while we raise and slaughter them (needless meaning beating and a slow death, not needless as in some vegs thinking we don't need meat to survive). There is a huge jump between this organism feels pain and this organism can't be eaten by you. Perhaps you want to change this about though:

If an organism feels pain, then it is immoral to harm them.
Aniamls feel pain.
It is immoral to harm them.

Harm is a bit better then saying eat, but this says animals and applies to all animals. So would it be wrong to say that if a bear is attacking you its immroal to fight back? Changing again:

If an organism feels pain it is immoral to harm them unless your life is in danger.
Aniamls feel pain.
Your life is not in danger
It is thus immoral to harm them.

The problem here are insects and other small animals. Mice, roaches, ticks, fleas, ear mites (in dogs) bed bugs, rats, and the like do not pose a threat to you unless in large numbers. Now true some carry disease, but so do all other plants and animals, in fact cats infect about half the humans that own them with parasites that come from their feces which causes a mild alcoholic effect in humans (lowers inhibitions) but your life isn't in danger from this parasite and I think most vegs would be against killing a cat in the same way you would a mosquito. So while annoying, animals like these wouldn't be able to be killed. That goes for the parasites too. You can live with a tape worm so if shouldn't be killed right? If you start to make acceptations then the argument falls apart and becomes more arbitrary based on what you like.

So let us again change it.

If an animal feels pain it is immoral to cause them pain.
It is immoral to needlessly cause animals pain with a benefit to yourself beyond personal gratification involving violence, sex, or taste.
Therefore, it is immoral to eat animals if it is only for personal gratification.

Well the problem with this argument, which harps to the "you eat meat only because it tastes good" is that the reason for action doesn't always make the action right or wrong. Say that you want to become famous and loved so you go around doing acts of bravery. This is selfish because you want fame, but it serves a just cause. The same for eating meat. While some people do it because it tastes good the fact remains that meat is a great source of nutrients if eating in the right amount. Also, the fact that humans like to eat meat is more a reason to eat meat then to not eat meat. Liking something usually is because it is good for an organism to eat, this isn't always the case though. Antifreeze tastes sweet to animals and they like to drink it. But when it comes to meat the most problems occur with eating too much, not getting enough exercise, and that some people find it to be immoral. But if you eat it in the right amounts, stay healthy, and don't fine it to be immoral then their isn't a reason for you not to eat it per the argument given.

It becomes something good for you that you enjoy, even more so if you eat organ meats besides skeletal muscle.

Fat People Can't Argue Health

This is one I get a lot. The argument goes that you shouldn't take health advice from someone who is fat. The problem with this is that this is based on a physical appearance not in knowledge. This argument could go like this:

If a person doesn't practice what they preach they are a hippocrite.
Hippocrites are wrong.
This person doesn't practice what they preach.
They are wrong.

Valid argument, not factual. A person who tells you that smoking is bad for you who smokes isn't wrong because they smoke. Me telling you my opinions and the facts that I know doesn't make me wrong. You can call be a hippocrite. But the truth is the truth regardless of how you say it. Now rather what I say is the truth is up for the reader to decide and prove me wrong if they think I am.

Another problem with the "you're fat so you don't know about health" as a reason to not be an omnivore are fat vegans and vegetarians. The HappyCabbie, who I personally like although I don't always agree with, is overweight but is a vegan. If being fat made what you say invalid, him speaking about the health benefits of being a vegan would also be false. Finally, I could simply say that if you are skinny and/or pale then you have no right to talk about how good a vegan/vegetarian diet is. So I call these arguments invalid.


This is an easy one. The argument is that chicken has feces (or as "30 Reasons to Become a Vegetarian" put it, "a little poop.") The problem with this is that it isn't a large amount if it exists. The second is that the meat is cooked at high temperatures microbes can't survive at. The third is that fecal matter is in the air we breath. If chicken and other meats having shit on them means you shouldn't eat them, then you shouldn't eat plants...or breath. See the problem now? I hope so. Though at least you can't kill yourself by holding your breath.

At Least I'm Not As Bad As "Them!"

This argument tends to be towards vegetarians who are not vegan but think of veganism as a good thing to be. It goes that veganism is the better then omnivores and vegetarians. Vegetarians who agree with this say that although they are not as good a vegans they are still better then omnivores and still have a valid argument. The biggest problem with this is the fact that I don't eat humans. So I'm not as bad as cannibals, thus making omnivorism valid to the vegetarians who think this. The other problem is that the same thing vegans say about vegetarians and omnivores can be said by fruitarians. This makes vegans say what the vegetarians say. Then you have breatharians. The people who think you don't have to eat...ANYTHING! To these sick and dying people all others are as mad as murderers. This makes all your efforts pointless if you insist the group before you is bad, you have validity, and the one who eats less is better then what you do.

You're Anorexic and You're Eating Too Much!

This goes on the priviest argument. A vegetarian will say that an omnivore eats too much and is unhealthy but that a vegan eats too little. Vegans in turn say the same thing about vegetarians. They eat too much they are the best and fruitarians eat too little. Most of these can agree that beatharians eat too little and that cannibal humans eating only meat eat too much. This is a domino effect. It has no validity because it can be said about the anyone, just replace two words and you have a counter argument. And to people using this who are vegs, please know that omnivores tend to use this too, though they tend to leave out cannibals and you think it's invalid. You're right that it is, but wrong to use it.


Two things. First, saying that animals shouldn't be eaten because they are Earthligns like huamsn doesn't work when plants are also Earthlings. Second, the problems demonstrated in this bizarre comedy  are the cause of factory farming and over production (either of plants, animals, or fishing). This is an argument to stop the bad practices, not the entire actions. A car polluting is a good reason to get or make an environmental friendly car, not to give up all modes of non human powered transportation.

Really though, if there is a problem with an industry, buy from the industry in the industry that has good practices. If you want the car industry to change for the better, buy from environmental friendly companies that sell environmental friendly vehicles, don't buy a bike because you help the bike industry and stop becoming a consumer. Now, who cares what you think about cars? You will only be riding bikes.

All In One

Veganism/vegetarianism is not the answer to all out problems anymore then eating meat is the cause. Being a veg won't help the hungry if as many vegs say 99% of farms are factory farms feeding animals corn. Perhaps you should support the 1% instead of tapping out?

I think that that should be enough for now. I may think of be confronted with others, but these are the biggest problems I see. Feel free to inform me how I am wrong in my logic and I will follow in kind.

Sunday, August 28, 2011


Christian Argument: Atheists want to ridicule our religion and believe the lie that God doesn't exist, which is the work of Satan, and not think for themselves.

Atheist Argument: Christians want to ridicule us for not believing their fairytales and then try to guilt trip us into believing we'll go to an imaginary bad place, they need to think for themselves.

Am I the only one who sees these two arguments as the same thing ?

Saturday, August 27, 2011

Sunday, August 21, 2011

Opinions Are Like Opinions, Your Opinion Is Always Better Then The Other Guy's Opinion, But An Opinion Is Still An Opinion.

When people finally realize that the reasons they can have their opinions is the same reasons why other people can have their opinions they will then learn why I place what they say in such low regard, but place their right to say in such high esteem. Perhaps then this world would be a better place. Its not about agreeing, if the other persons knows everything or nothing, or thinking the other person is intelligent, it's about knowing we all have the right to be wrong as we tell ourselves that we are right.

-Chris Remag-

Friday, August 12, 2011


This person is saying that humans should exercise complete control over animals to stop them from being immoral.

Humans can't force our morality onto nature. Also, no force in the universe, be it God, Nature, or Evolution seems to think that animals eating animals is a bad thing. It's just humans, in our infant stupid, that think we should change nature.

To all vegans/vegetarians/fruitarian/etc. you might not agree with me when I say that its OK for humans to eat meat, but what do you think about this person who says that human morality should be implied to animals?

Image is from a comment on one of our YouTube videos, you can view the comments for yourself if you want.

Monday, August 8, 2011


Met an ex-vegan who became an omnivore (well he ate fish first so I guess at the moment he's a pescatarian) at 3AM today from reading this article: http://www.vanguardonline.f9.co.uk/00509.htm

I haven't read it yet but I thought I'd spread the word about it. You don't have to change your diet (if you can be healthy on it) you just need to think about your reasoning.

I've met vegetarians, pescatarians, and vegans who are all supportive of people's decisions. I don't know why other people can't do the same.

Thursday, August 4, 2011

Narcissistic Hater

My entire response (I responded in part on our channel):

I gathered that on my own. If you are not talented then you have no basis to judge us by besides your own opinions and comparing us to other people. Both of which is personal to you. Don’t act big and bad when you can’t spell and have never put any work into any type of video. 

“Those that do, do, those that can’t become critics.”

You are an ass hat, what with your demand we stop making videos because you don’t like them. Your channel is to be a hater. You had nothing and you achieve nothing. You are a waste of space on this site because of your think your opinions matter so much. This something we call delusions of grandeur. 

You also admit to false flagging. Once again, instead of being an bell, how about you not watch people you hate? 

And why do you put in a period where you don’t need one? It makes you sound like an idiot. But thanks for leaving the proof as to how much of an idiot you are, and for that, we thank you. It’ll provide entertainment to us and our fans. 

And? People hate us. Oh no, guess we’ll quit. More people hate the people and things you love then they do us. It’s a matter of perspective. We do this for ourselves and our fans, the haters can get over themselves.

We enjoyably ignore your “order” because you have absolutely no authority. 

And if you are the faggot identifier, why haven’t you identified yourself as one? Too deep in the closet?


I just don't get people like this. They think they are some important person whose opinions matter the most. Well, I guess I can as most people are like this. But if you hate something that's not going away (like Justine Beiber and Hannah Montana) it's best to leave it alone and forget it exists. False flagging isn't going to stop us, neither is complaining.

I've said this once and I'll say it again. Our older videos get a lot of hits, but they tend to be crappy because we were new. However, if people see it and hate it, we don't loose anything. We have better content now. Subscribers who see these videos know this. Non-subscribers who see it and hate it won't subscribe, but we haven't lost what we didn't have to begin with. The rest of the people don't care enough. However, their is a chance we will get subscriptions out of these videos, and we already get paid because of them. They lead to better videos, but if people don't care to look oh well.

Besides, they might comeback and see our better videos. But even then you can't please everyone, so we ignore the haters.

1 fan is worth all our haters. We make videos for ourselves and for our fans. We don't care what other people think of us. You can call us fat emo faggot goat fuckers, and I'll laugh it off. To me, haters are pathetic. I laugh at the few death threats and "I hope you die" comments we've gotten, so what ever you say, I won't care. 99% of it is just mindless insults and cursing, the rest is from someone we don't care to give the time a day to.

Sunday, July 31, 2011


Don't you just love people like this? We make money from YouTube for ads on our videos. So even if a video is hated, it earns us money, our fans (if they see it) know we do better work, and new people who see it either won't like or hate it and move on, like it and potentially subscribe, or they won't subscribe. If a non-subscriber doesn't subscribe, what have we lost?

I've dealt with people like this guy before, they usually get tired of talking out of their ass and move on with their lives, hating on new people, or one day I simply delete the notice that they commented and move on and they don't respond back. So you really look dumb when you tell someone, who has dealt with far worse people, to shut up, delete the video, and then they will shut up.

Keep in mind, all the while, I have a block button, which I don't use because haters are pathetic and help us earn money. Something gets lost in translation when I say we don't care about haters because they earn us money and it gets turned into "we're in this only for the money," which isn't true as fans know we talk to them and are glad they watch us. I'm simply not going to waste my time worrying about all the people who don't like us. 1 fan is worth all the haters we get and then some, and we have 2,415 subscribers ATM, so it's a small price to pay for the loudmouth who talks like on idiot who thinks their opinions matter so much to enertain people who like us.

Also, the bit about us being emo is pathetic too as none of us are. Zeke wears black a lot, oh Jeebuz, but he is a far cry away from being emo....damn that was a pathetic pun I didn't mean to make. XD

Ah well, if you want to watch the video getting all this hate you can. See for yourself if you can tell I'm not being serious in this video. It's only 28 seconds lone so don't worry.

I guess there's no pleasing some people, but they still need to...

Saturday, July 30, 2011

50 Reasons to Not Become a Vegan or Vegetarian

This is in response to this video about why you should be a vegetarian (although its more trying to get you to go vegan). A bit dated since I've been holding on to it for so long, but I tried to update it. Not my best arguments though.

1.       Because you can still eat a vegetarian diet and have a heart attack (heart disease begins in childhood).

2.       A vegetarian diet doesn’t reverse heart disease, the typical diet has less fat in it and thus it reduces your chance, however you can do this on a omnivore diet.

3.       Eating meat and dairy (wasn’t this a reason to be a vegetarian? They eat dairy still) makes you fat only if eating incorrectly. If it really made you fat, everyone would be fat. Michal Phelps isn’t fat.

4.       You shouldn’t have to scare your kids into eating a diet that can be harmful and has be a cause of death for other kids.

5.       There is fecal matter in chicken packages, however there is also fecal matter in the air, along with substances much worse.

6.       Meat is not filthy, it’s just a place where microorganisms can grow, and this is why we cook it. This also makes it easier to chew, digest, and adds to the taste, the same is true for veggies.

7.       Because nature and life isn’t fair. Nature, Evolution, or God made humans omnivores. Who are we to say it’s not right to eat meat?

8.       No living creature, besides humans, has a problem with their diet.

9.       Plants and their products can contain carcinogens, cyanide, the chemicals, poop, or dead animal bodies used to grow them, and have been known to absorb radioactive isotopes which have killed humans when the animals were not radiated at all.

10.   Because worrying if you will get Mad cow disease is like worrying you will get cancer

11.   Vegetarianism and veganism both lead to the death of animals while protecting crops from insects and by harvesting the crops. Many non-food products are also used with animal by-products.

12.   We use all parts of animals to create other things, so you can’t be a vegan and still read this.

13.   Because no one should have the job of lying to people by manipulating the facts, and to some people, a job in a slaughterhouse is more important then what it involves.  Would you let your family starve or lose their home because you didn’t want to take a job?  

14.   Because it takes small minded people to neglect animals, harm animals, and ignore animals, just so they can make a video to get people to change their diet. It takes a deceitful person to film only the worst of the worst.

15.   Because animals should only be killed for survival…even if you are an omnivorous animal with plenty of plant food you can eat or a carnivore who eats more then they need (In laymen’s terms, it’s only wrong for humans in the eyes of many vegs, even though the reasons they give to allow it for animals can be used by most humans too).

16.   Because feeding animals grain causing animals pain is a reason to stop feeding them grain, not to stop eating animals.

17.   The water on the planet has remained more or less the same. It is recycled

18.   Sustainability is about balance, not about excluding one thing from your life and saying you are saving the planet.

19.   No animal is defenseless. Just because an animal like a human is able to kill them does not make them defenseless and it does not make the human wrong. If you think that, then a wolf is wrong too.

20.   Many animals cannot scream, do these animals not feel pain? Plants have been known to grow shorter because of touch. Just because you cannot hear a scream, doesn’t mean something doesn’t “feel” in its own way.  Although plants likely can’t feel pain, they are still able to detect stimuli, if not then they couldn’t heal, use vines, or catch food in active carnivorous plants.

21.   Humans are the only animals that will take their own lives. If an animal does not wanting to die holds so much weight, then why allow natural predators to live?

22.   Meat is meat, its animal flesh. Most people know where meat comes from. You should not have to change your ways because someone has a problem with that and thinks you should be like them.

23.   Because the cause of animal suffering is capitalism and greed, and the cure to animal suffering is to buy products the help fuel capitalism and greed.

24.   Because just because videos exist of animals in cages or cramped pens, doesn’t mean every animal is.

25.   Because not eating meat, doesn’t make you any less responsible for pointless deaths. At least omnivores gain from eating meat.

26.   Because if a vegetarian can be called a horrible person by a vegan, and if a vegan can be called a horrible person by a frutarian, then any of them calling you a horrible person because you eat meat makes no sense when there is always someone who will judge them and you.

27.   Because eating meat isn’t wrong or immoral. Just because some people don’t like it doesn’t make something wrong, bad, or evil. If this was true then your favorite music,  book, TV show, race, sex, creed, or religion would be viewed in the same light.

28.   Because they complain about the rights of animals while there is likely a human worker picking their food for (or below) minimum wage.

29.   Because when pushed, most vegs will put humans above animals. They rest have no right putting themselves (or their finances) above animals.

30.   Because a diet is a choice. You can say it is a choice and then demand people make the “right one”

31.   Because just because people disagree on an issue that is no reason to harass, ridicule, threaten, injure, or murder someone. And groups like PETA who support this are wrong.

32.   Because any healthy balanced diet….is a healthy balanced diet.

33.   Because famous people being a veg, isn’t a reason for you to be…and Einstein was a vegetarian during the last year of his life.

34.   Because many people who think their meatless diets are worth harming themselves for.

35.   Because when the same tactics are used against them, many extreme pro-veg and animal rights activists act the same way that an omnivore does in jest, however they are serious.

36.   Because killing, doesn’t equal murder.

37.   Because humans shouldn’t eat animals, even if they raise them humanly, because they will be caused pain, then why should humans, who can suffer more, continue to survive as a species?

38.   Because the videos you see are not always the industry standards…or even due to the industry

39.   Because using “you will be unhealthy” and “you only look healthy” as arguments can be applied to them and are weak arguments.

40.   Because you are sacrificing more as a veg in order to feel normal, when you could sacrifice less and still care about animals as a moral omnivore.

41.   Because comparing eating meat to racism, murder, assassination, the holocaust, and slavery….is not an actual comparison.

42.   Because humans evolved (or were designed) to use our brains and do not need large teeth and claws (we also evolved from herbivores).

43.   Because the nutrients in meat can only be found in a veg diet by eating a wide range of plants (and likely taking vitamins).

44.   Because if we were made to eat plants, then why were some ex-vegans unable to stay healthy on a vegan diet when they ate all the right foods?

45.   Because all videos using the death of animals to get you to not eat meat are made to do just that.

46.   Because no society is 100% vegetarian, let along vegan.

47.   Because the best argument against eating meat can be beating with, “I understand what you are trying to say and do, but I’m still going to eat meat.”

48.   Because if humans over the history of our species have not converted to cannibalism then we never will.

49.   Because if animals not having morals against eating meat is a reason why they can eat meat, then so can humans who don’t have morals against eating other animals, and in the end, you can’t argue morals decisively.

50.   Because even plants eat animals.

~Feel free to comment about how wrong you think I am. I'm sure if you act like a hateful person, legions of people will stop eating meat.